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	<title>Comments on: We&#8217;re all for tolerance but..</title>
	<link>http://www.sticksandcarrots.net/2008/02/08/were-all-for-tolerance-but/</link>
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		<title>By: Garry</title>
		<link>http://www.sticksandcarrots.net/2008/02/08/were-all-for-tolerance-but/#comment-2567</link>
		<dc:creator>Garry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 04:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My pleasure.

On the widespread misunderstanding of "sharia".  Williams attempted to discuss this.
&lt;blockquote&gt;Among the manifold anxieties that haunt the discussion of the place of Muslims in British society, one of the strongest, reinforced from time to time by the sensational reporting of opinion polls, is that Muslim communities in this country seek the freedom to live under sharia law. And what most people think they know of sharia is that it is repressive towards women and wedded to archaic and brutal physical punishments&lt;/blockquote&gt;

He tried to explain a little about the reality but the media weren't really interested in reporting that. It's not something to get the juices flowing and, worse than that, it highlights the fact that their own activities are part of the problem.

Instead, some of the coverage has been disgraceful. The &lt;a href="http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article778163.ece" rel="nofollow"&gt;Sun headline&lt;/a&gt; (alongside a photo of the bus from the London attacks) was a case in point. The headline is sort of right but not for the reason they're trying to suggest.

I'm guessing Williams was expecting some "sensational reporting" of his remarks and some adverse responses but not this extraordinary outrage. There are calls for his resignation which are descending into witch hunt territory. 

There seem to be more ironies here than you can shake a stick at.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My pleasure.</p>
<p>On the widespread misunderstanding of &#8220;sharia&#8221;.  Williams attempted to discuss this.</p>
<blockquote><p>Among the manifold anxieties that haunt the discussion of the place of Muslims in British society, one of the strongest, reinforced from time to time by the sensational reporting of opinion polls, is that Muslim communities in this country seek the freedom to live under sharia law. And what most people think they know of sharia is that it is repressive towards women and wedded to archaic and brutal physical punishments</p></blockquote>
<p>He tried to explain a little about the reality but the media weren&#8217;t really interested in reporting that. It&#8217;s not something to get the juices flowing and, worse than that, it highlights the fact that their own activities are part of the problem.</p>
<p>Instead, some of the coverage has been disgraceful. The <a href="http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article778163.ece" rel="nofollow">Sun headline</a> (alongside a photo of the bus from the London attacks) was a case in point. The headline is sort of right but not for the reason they&#8217;re trying to suggest.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m guessing Williams was expecting some &#8220;sensational reporting&#8221; of his remarks and some adverse responses but not this extraordinary outrage. There are calls for his resignation which are descending into witch hunt territory. </p>
<p>There seem to be more ironies here than you can shake a stick at.</p>
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		<title>By: akatsukira</title>
		<link>http://www.sticksandcarrots.net/2008/02/08/were-all-for-tolerance-but/#comment-2557</link>
		<dc:creator>akatsukira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 07:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.sticksandcarrots.net/2008/02/08/were-all-for-tolerance-but/#comment-2557</guid>
		<description>Thanks for the link to the interview, Garry. I must admit to being as surprised as Archbishop Williams at the adverse response. It was, even to an atheist, an even-keeled, rational discussion about religious laws/code and how to accommodate that within the current legal structure.

I reckon the word "sharia" is misused / misunderstood by non-muslims, as is the word "fatwa". Hence the knee-jerk reaction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link to the interview, Garry. I must admit to being as surprised as Archbishop Williams at the adverse response. It was, even to an atheist, an even-keeled, rational discussion about religious laws/code and how to accommodate that within the current legal structure.</p>
<p>I reckon the word &#8220;sharia&#8221; is misused / misunderstood by non-muslims, as is the word &#8220;fatwa&#8221;. Hence the knee-jerk reaction.</p>
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		<title>By: Scottish Roundup &#187; Blog Archive &#187; It&#8217;s all about the money, it&#8217;s all about the ding-ding dinga-ding-ding-ding</title>
		<link>http://www.sticksandcarrots.net/2008/02/08/were-all-for-tolerance-but/#comment-2556</link>
		<dc:creator>Scottish Roundup &#187; Blog Archive &#187; It&#8217;s all about the money, it&#8217;s all about the ding-ding dinga-ding-ding-ding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 01:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] MSM has picked up on Dr Williams&#8217;s speech and entered nto a state of hysteria, exasperating Garry, who compares the media&#8217;s reporting of what Williams said with what he was actually getting [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] MSM has picked up on Dr Williams&#8217;s speech and entered nto a state of hysteria, exasperating Garry, who compares the media&#8217;s reporting of what Williams said with what he was actually getting [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Rowan Williams and &#8220;sharia courts&#8221;: reaction in the media and blogosphere &#171; pixelisation</title>
		<link>http://www.sticksandcarrots.net/2008/02/08/were-all-for-tolerance-but/#comment-2554</link>
		<dc:creator>Rowan Williams and &#8220;sharia courts&#8221;: reaction in the media and blogosphere &#171; pixelisation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 07:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Garry Smith, &#8220;We&#8217;re all for tolerance but&#8230;&#8221;: The BBC’s Have Your Say has been inundated with outraged comments (over 11,000 comments since yest... [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Garry Smith, &#8220;We&#8217;re all for tolerance but&#8230;&#8221;: The BBC’s Have Your Say has been inundated with outraged comments (over 11,000 comments since yest&#8230; [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Garry</title>
		<link>http://www.sticksandcarrots.net/2008/02/08/were-all-for-tolerance-but/#comment-2537</link>
		<dc:creator>Garry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 16:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, it's like a competition to see who can be most outraged. Just saw some guy on BBC News 24 spend the entire interview condemning Williams for stuff he didn't say.  

Just looked up that &lt;a href="http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/andrew_brown/2008/02/laws_of_the_land.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Andrew Brown piece&lt;/a&gt; and it's certainly a lot more sensible than most of what's been written. Thanks for pointing it out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it&#8217;s like a competition to see who can be most outraged. Just saw some guy on BBC News 24 spend the entire interview condemning Williams for stuff he didn&#8217;t say.  </p>
<p>Just looked up that <a href="http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/andrew_brown/2008/02/laws_of_the_land.html" rel="nofollow">Andrew Brown piece</a> and it&#8217;s certainly a lot more sensible than most of what&#8217;s been written. Thanks for pointing it out.</p>
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		<title>By: More Power to Your Elbow er Knee: Archbishop of Canterbury/Sharia &#124; The Wardman Wire</title>
		<link>http://www.sticksandcarrots.net/2008/02/08/were-all-for-tolerance-but/#comment-2535</link>
		<dc:creator>More Power to Your Elbow er Knee: Archbishop of Canterbury/Sharia &#124; The Wardman Wire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 14:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] wasn&#8217;t planning to revisit Archbishop Rowan until tomorrow, however Mr Sticky Carrot (aka Garry Smith) comments: If you felt a slight tremor sometime yesterday afternoon, it’ll have [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] wasn&#8217;t planning to revisit Archbishop Rowan until tomorrow, however Mr Sticky Carrot (aka Garry Smith) comments: If you felt a slight tremor sometime yesterday afternoon, it’ll have [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: thabet</title>
		<link>http://www.sticksandcarrots.net/2008/02/08/were-all-for-tolerance-but/#comment-2533</link>
		<dc:creator>thabet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 13:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you read Tory MP Mark Pritchard's response? Here's the snippet at the BBC:

&lt;blockquote&gt;"The archbishop should be standing up for our Judeo-Christian principles that underpin British criminal law that have been hard fought for.
"He should be concentrating on winning souls into the Church of England rather than getting involved in politics."&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I thought Andrew Brown at Comment is free had a sensible response to Willams views.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you read Tory MP Mark Pritchard&#8217;s response? Here&#8217;s the snippet at the BBC:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;The archbishop should be standing up for our Judeo-Christian principles that underpin British criminal law that have been hard fought for.<br />
&#8220;He should be concentrating on winning souls into the Church of England rather than getting involved in politics.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>I thought Andrew Brown at Comment is free had a sensible response to Willams views.</p>
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