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	<title>Comments on: Suicide is Painless</title>
	<link>http://www.sticksandcarrots.net/2008/02/25/suicide-is-painless/</link>
	<description>Not about wood or vegetables</description>
	<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 11:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Devil's Kitchen</title>
		<link>http://www.sticksandcarrots.net/2008/02/25/suicide-is-painless/#comment-2778</link>
		<dc:creator>Devil's Kitchen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 04:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.sticksandcarrots.net/2008/02/25/suicide-is-painless/#comment-2778</guid>
		<description>&lt;i&gt;"No doubt in Thatcherite/Libertarian circles this is seen as a great wheeze..."&lt;/i&gt;

Please don't tar us honest Libertarians with the Blaney brush...

DK</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;No doubt in Thatcherite/Libertarian circles this is seen as a great wheeze&#8230;&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t tar us honest Libertarians with the Blaney brush&#8230;</p>
<p>DK</p>
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		<title>By: Lobster Blogster</title>
		<link>http://www.sticksandcarrots.net/2008/02/25/suicide-is-painless/#comment-2777</link>
		<dc:creator>Lobster Blogster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 00:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.sticksandcarrots.net/2008/02/25/suicide-is-painless/#comment-2777</guid>
		<description>I must beg to disagree with Iain Dale about Blaney's writing prowess. Blaney has a vapid style which is used to disguise a dishonest philosophy. It reminds me very much of the scandal rags which to his client used to contribute. Vaguely linked facts are used to connect arguments, poorly sourced quotations are use in an exaggerated manner to overstate an opponent's veiwpoint.

Unity does use the terms "racist" and "fascist" in his post, but Blaney has added "homophobic" as something he is supposedly accused of. You almost get the feeling that Blaney wanted to be labelled as such, Unity ducked out, so Blaney just had to add it back in for good measure. No doubt in Thatcherite/Libertarian circles this is seen as a great wheeze, intellectual riguor is not a quality very much prized by their ilk. Personally these "liberty lovin'" clowns do little for me, and I doubt that they exert anywhere as large an influence as they often (boastfully) proclaim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must beg to disagree with Iain Dale about Blaney&#8217;s writing prowess. Blaney has a vapid style which is used to disguise a dishonest philosophy. It reminds me very much of the scandal rags which to his client used to contribute. Vaguely linked facts are used to connect arguments, poorly sourced quotations are use in an exaggerated manner to overstate an opponent&#8217;s veiwpoint.</p>
<p>Unity does use the terms &#8220;racist&#8221; and &#8220;fascist&#8221; in his post, but Blaney has added &#8220;homophobic&#8221; as something he is supposedly accused of. You almost get the feeling that Blaney wanted to be labelled as such, Unity ducked out, so Blaney just had to add it back in for good measure. No doubt in Thatcherite/Libertarian circles this is seen as a great wheeze, intellectual riguor is not a quality very much prized by their ilk. Personally these &#8220;liberty lovin&#8217;&#8221; clowns do little for me, and I doubt that they exert anywhere as large an influence as they often (boastfully) proclaim.</p>
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		<title>By: No More Progress &#124; Big Sticks and Small Carrots</title>
		<link>http://www.sticksandcarrots.net/2008/02/25/suicide-is-painless/#comment-2764</link>
		<dc:creator>No More Progress &#124; Big Sticks and Small Carrots</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.sticksandcarrots.net/2008/02/25/suicide-is-painless/#comment-2764</guid>
		<description>[...] So, what conclusions can be reached about attempts to have an honest debate with Donal Blaney? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] So, what conclusions can be reached about attempts to have an honest debate with Donal Blaney? [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Garry</title>
		<link>http://www.sticksandcarrots.net/2008/02/25/suicide-is-painless/#comment-2754</link>
		<dc:creator>Garry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 18:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.sticksandcarrots.net/2008/02/25/suicide-is-painless/#comment-2754</guid>
		<description>hellblazer and jsm, heh! Much as I'd like to join in, my, er, liberal attitude to language means I'd be asking for trouble.

Also, having attempted to discuss various issues with Iain, his opening line looks very much like one of his standard diversionary tactics. He does this a lot when he's got no real point to make. As septicisle says, in the end it's not about how Blaney writes but about what he writes and how he engages with others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hellblazer and jsm, heh! Much as I&#8217;d like to join in, my, er, liberal attitude to language means I&#8217;d be asking for trouble.</p>
<p>Also, having attempted to discuss various issues with Iain, his opening line looks very much like one of his standard diversionary tactics. He does this a lot when he&#8217;s got no real point to make. As septicisle says, in the end it&#8217;s not about how Blaney writes but about what he writes and how he engages with others.</p>
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		<title>By: john stuart millennium</title>
		<link>http://www.sticksandcarrots.net/2008/02/25/suicide-is-painless/#comment-2750</link>
		<dc:creator>john stuart millennium</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 13:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.sticksandcarrots.net/2008/02/25/suicide-is-painless/#comment-2750</guid>
		<description>While we're at it, does this modern-day Burke really mean to use "import" in the phrase "to import negative motives"? I'm sure a really top brief (you know, Horace Rumpole, John Cage, Sir Wilfred Robarts and the like) would have used "impute".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While we&#8217;re at it, does this modern-day Burke really mean to use &#8220;import&#8221; in the phrase &#8220;to import negative motives&#8221;? I&#8217;m sure a really top brief (you know, Horace Rumpole, John Cage, Sir Wilfred Robarts and the like) would have used &#8220;impute&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: hellblazer</title>
		<link>http://www.sticksandcarrots.net/2008/02/25/suicide-is-painless/#comment-2743</link>
		<dc:creator>hellblazer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 03:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.sticksandcarrots.net/2008/02/25/suicide-is-painless/#comment-2743</guid>
		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.sticksandcarrots.net/2008/02/25/suicide-is-painless/#comment-2738" rel="nofollow"&gt;Iain Dale said:&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;i&gt;The fact remains that whatever you think of his views he is a better writer than you (or indeed I) will ever be. &lt;/i&gt;

Well that's fairly depressing, because anyone who writes a post in which they wish to avoid coming across as a pompous whinger shouldn't &lt;a href="http://donalblaney.blogspot.com/2008/02/where-is-bbc-white-male-middle-class_22.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;start with&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;i&gt;This morning I was rudely awakened from my slumber&lt;/i&gt;

Er, what else would you have been awakened (or woken) from, Mr. B? A coma? Narcolepsy?

Then, in his response to Unity, after getting up a head of steam with the shrill

&lt;i&gt;It says a lot about these people that they are desperate to import negative motives into the actions of those with whom they disagree. Not only does it show intellectual weakness on their part but it suggests they are deeply unhappy, insecure and lonely people&lt;/i&gt;

-- a diagnosis which might be applied to itself -- Mr. B continues by lamenting that

&lt;i&gt;All too often those of us who dare to have a differing worldview will allow themselves 
to be bullied into submission...&lt;/i&gt;

Us? Them? Make your mind up, sir; are they us or we them, or ... no, sorry, my brain's melting from the good writing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.sticksandcarrots.net/2008/02/25/suicide-is-painless/#comment-2738" rel="nofollow">Iain Dale said:</a></p>
<p><i>The fact remains that whatever you think of his views he is a better writer than you (or indeed I) will ever be. </i></p>
<p>Well that&#8217;s fairly depressing, because anyone who writes a post in which they wish to avoid coming across as a pompous whinger shouldn&#8217;t <a href="http://donalblaney.blogspot.com/2008/02/where-is-bbc-white-male-middle-class_22.html" rel="nofollow">start with</a></p>
<p><i>This morning I was rudely awakened from my slumber</i></p>
<p>Er, what else would you have been awakened (or woken) from, Mr. B? A coma? Narcolepsy?</p>
<p>Then, in his response to Unity, after getting up a head of steam with the shrill</p>
<p><i>It says a lot about these people that they are desperate to import negative motives into the actions of those with whom they disagree. Not only does it show intellectual weakness on their part but it suggests they are deeply unhappy, insecure and lonely people</i></p>
<p>&#8211; a diagnosis which might be applied to itself &#8212; Mr. B continues by lamenting that</p>
<p><i>All too often those of us who dare to have a differing worldview will allow themselves<br />
to be bullied into submission&#8230;</i></p>
<p>Us? Them? Make your mind up, sir; are they us or we them, or &#8230; no, sorry, my brain&#8217;s melting from the good writing.</p>
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		<title>By: septicisle</title>
		<link>http://www.sticksandcarrots.net/2008/02/25/suicide-is-painless/#comment-2740</link>
		<dc:creator>septicisle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.sticksandcarrots.net/2008/02/25/suicide-is-painless/#comment-2740</guid>
		<description>I think Iain when his views are a complete caricature of what Unity wrote, and when Mr Blaney variously refers to Unity and whoever else criticised his post as "stupid", "venal", "intellectually insecure", "onanists", "intellectual[lly} weak", "deeply unhappy", "insecure", "lonely", and "bitter", that maybe you shouldn't be defending someone who resorts straight off to ad-hominem attacks as someone as disagrees with them.  It doesn't matter if the guy writes wonderfully or not; what matters is how he decides to engage, and he's engaged in a way typical of how others have responded to Tim Ireland, and indeed how you responded to a mild ribbing on my blog by calling me a first-class prick.  This isn't about anyone's "little gang"; it's about discourse that doesn't make us look like a bunch of schoolchildren.  Mr Blaney has completely failed that test.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Iain when his views are a complete caricature of what Unity wrote, and when Mr Blaney variously refers to Unity and whoever else criticised his post as &#8220;stupid&#8221;, &#8220;venal&#8221;, &#8220;intellectually insecure&#8221;, &#8220;onanists&#8221;, &#8220;intellectual[lly} weak&#8221;, &#8220;deeply unhappy&#8221;, &#8220;insecure&#8221;, &#8220;lonely&#8221;, and &#8220;bitter&#8221;, that maybe you shouldn&#8217;t be defending someone who resorts straight off to ad-hominem attacks as someone as disagrees with them.  It doesn&#8217;t matter if the guy writes wonderfully or not; what matters is how he decides to engage, and he&#8217;s engaged in a way typical of how others have responded to Tim Ireland, and indeed how you responded to a mild ribbing on my blog by calling me a first-class prick.  This isn&#8217;t about anyone&#8217;s &#8220;little gang&#8221;; it&#8217;s about discourse that doesn&#8217;t make us look like a bunch of schoolchildren.  Mr Blaney has completely failed that test.</p>
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		<title>By: Garry</title>
		<link>http://www.sticksandcarrots.net/2008/02/25/suicide-is-painless/#comment-2739</link>
		<dc:creator>Garry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.sticksandcarrots.net/2008/02/25/suicide-is-painless/#comment-2739</guid>
		<description>Iain, yes, he did use very nice language to discuss whether his political opponents should kill themselves. I was moved to slightly incredulous laughter.

Anyway, you're misrepresenting to a small but crucial degree when you talk about rights and rules. Here's a super-short general version. When too many people abuse their rights to act selfishly, government intervention is more likely. When people treat others with respect, government intervention is less likely. As a Conservative, I imagine you'd prefer more of the latter; people regulating their own interactions sensibly without need for state intervention. 

In blogging terms, there are currently many people abusing their rights and acting selfishly. And, importantly, what they do can have a significant impact on others.  For example, falsely but very publicly accusing someone of being a paedophile could have very serious consequences. That's why "Guido's" beloved "my house" analogy is so misleading. The world can't see what's written on Paul's walls.

There's an irony in all that which I won't bother to spell out.

In this specific case, the fact is that Blaney has made a big deal about "honest debate" and has accused others of refusing to participate in it. My attempt to enter into any sort of debate on that post have not been very fruitful so far.  And now he appears to have decided not to allow any honest debate on his own blog. Subject to confirmation, this is starting to look like the very definition of hypocrisy.

I'd add that having the comments off is an improvement in a way; at least it removes the false impression that honest debate is allowed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iain, yes, he did use very nice language to discuss whether his political opponents should kill themselves. I was moved to slightly incredulous laughter.</p>
<p>Anyway, you&#8217;re misrepresenting to a small but crucial degree when you talk about rights and rules. Here&#8217;s a super-short general version. When too many people abuse their rights to act selfishly, government intervention is more likely. When people treat others with respect, government intervention is less likely. As a Conservative, I imagine you&#8217;d prefer more of the latter; people regulating their own interactions sensibly without need for state intervention. </p>
<p>In blogging terms, there are currently many people abusing their rights and acting selfishly. And, importantly, what they do can have a significant impact on others.  For example, falsely but very publicly accusing someone of being a paedophile could have very serious consequences. That&#8217;s why &#8220;Guido&#8217;s&#8221; beloved &#8220;my house&#8221; analogy is so misleading. The world can&#8217;t see what&#8217;s written on Paul&#8217;s walls.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s an irony in all that which I won&#8217;t bother to spell out.</p>
<p>In this specific case, the fact is that Blaney has made a big deal about &#8220;honest debate&#8221; and has accused others of refusing to participate in it. My attempt to enter into any sort of debate on that post have not been very fruitful so far.  And now he appears to have decided not to allow any honest debate on his own blog. Subject to confirmation, this is starting to look like the very definition of hypocrisy.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d add that having the comments off is an improvement in a way; at least it removes the false impression that honest debate is allowed.</p>
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		<title>By: Iain Dale</title>
		<link>http://www.sticksandcarrots.net/2008/02/25/suicide-is-painless/#comment-2738</link>
		<dc:creator>Iain Dale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 19:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.sticksandcarrots.net/2008/02/25/suicide-is-painless/#comment-2738</guid>
		<description>The fact remains that whatever you think of his views he is a better writer than you (or indeed I) will ever be. It's his blog. If he doesn't want comments that's up to him. I know you and your little gang would love us all to obey the rules dreamt up by your Lord &#38; Master but in the end it's a free country and a free blogosphere. Personally I can't see the point of a blog without comments, but that's my view. I don't pretend there aren't others. And unlike Tim Ireland, I don't expect people to obey my rules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact remains that whatever you think of his views he is a better writer than you (or indeed I) will ever be. It&#8217;s his blog. If he doesn&#8217;t want comments that&#8217;s up to him. I know you and your little gang would love us all to obey the rules dreamt up by your Lord &amp; Master but in the end it&#8217;s a free country and a free blogosphere. Personally I can&#8217;t see the point of a blog without comments, but that&#8217;s my view. I don&#8217;t pretend there aren&#8217;t others. And unlike Tim Ireland, I don&#8217;t expect people to obey my rules.</p>
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		<title>By: Garry</title>
		<link>http://www.sticksandcarrots.net/2008/02/25/suicide-is-painless/#comment-2736</link>
		<dc:creator>Garry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.sticksandcarrots.net/2008/02/25/suicide-is-painless/#comment-2736</guid>
		<description>Indeed. If it wasn't for the fact that Iain Dale's constant attempts to boost Blaney's blog profile have removed any doubt as to his identity, you'd have to consider whether he was a strawman sockpuppet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed. If it wasn&#8217;t for the fact that Iain Dale&#8217;s constant attempts to boost Blaney&#8217;s blog profile have removed any doubt as to his identity, you&#8217;d have to consider whether he was a strawman sockpuppet.</p>
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